The National for Thursday, Nov. 14 — U.S. school shooting; Benadryl risks; At Issue


(*)>>Andrew: TONIGHT, A WARNING FROM ALLERGY DOCTORS FOR PARENTS WHO RELY ON BENADRYL.>>WE REALLY KNOW THAT THIS IS A DRUG THAT HAS SIGNIFICANT RISKS.>>Andrew: WHAT THEY FOUND, WHAT THEY SAY YOU SHOULD DO AND WHY NOW.>>>BRITISH COLUMBIA CRACKS DOWN ON VAPING.>>>ALSO TONIGHT CALLS FOR CHANGE AGAIN AFTER ANOTHER U.S. SCHOOL SHOOTING.>>>AND JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S PARADE OF MEETINGS WITH FEDERAL LEADERS CONTINUES.>>Jagmeet Singh: I HAVE NO INTEREST IN BLINDLY WORKING WITH THE LIBERALS.>>Andrew: SO HOW WILL THE PRIME MINISTER GOVERN IN A MINORITY? ROSIE IS HERE WITH “AT ISSUE.” THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.” (*)>>>DOCTORS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET THROUGH TO PARENTS FOR YEARS TO WARN THEM AWAY FROM A DRUG THAT YOU MAY HAVE AT HOME RIGHT NOW. BENADRYL, A POPULAR ANTIHISTAMINE, USED TO TREAT EVERYTHING FROM HIVES TO COLD SYMPTOMS, BUT IT ALSO COMES WITH POTENTIALLY SERIOUS SIDE EFFECTS. DOCTORS SAY THAT TAKING TOO MUCH CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS AND EVEN DEADEADLY. AND CHILDREN ARE ESPECIALLY VULNERABLE. CANADIAN ALLERGISTS SAY THAT IT’S TIME TO ACT. AND AS NICOLE IRELAND TELLS US, THEY WANT HEALTH CANADA TO GET INVOLVED.>>Reporter: WHEN HIS 5-YEAR-OLD SON GETS RASHES OR HIVES, FRANK NELSON USUALLY REACHES FOR LIQUID BENADRYL. NOW THAT HE’S HEARD THE WARNINGS THAT’S GOING TO STOP.>>WE’RE ALWAYS LOOKING OUT FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN. SO I WOULD DEFINITELY START USING A DIFFERENT PRODUCT.>>Reporter: OLD HABITS ARE HARD TO BREAK. BENADRYL WAS INTRODUCED IN THE 1940s. DRUGS WERE NOT SUBJECTED TO THE SAME LICENSING STANDARDS AS THEY ARE NOW AND IT’S STILL ADVERTISED AS PROVIDING QUICK AND EFFECTIVE RELIEF OF ALLERGY SYMPTOMS EVEN THOUGH IT CAN HAVE DANGEROUS SIDE EFFECTS, ESPECIALLY FOR CHILDREN.>>THERE’S NO SHADE OF GREY HERE. WE REALLY KNOW THIS IS A DRUG THAT HAS SIGNIFICANT RISKS.>>Reporter: BENADRYL’S ACTIVE INGREDIENT, DEPHENHYDRAMINE CAUSES DROWSINESS AND SEDATION. THAT CAN IMPAIR CHILDREN’S COGNITIVE FUNCTION. AND IF KIDS ARE GIVEN TOO MUCH OF IT AND THEY CAN HAVE DIFFICULTY BREATHING AND EVEN OVERDOSE.>>I DON’T THINK THAT PARENTS APPRECIATE THE RISKS OF THIS FOR YOUNGER CHILDREN WHO CAN’T SPEAK TO HOW SEDATED THEY FEEL.>>Reporter: ALLERGISTS SAY THAT BENADRYL SHOULD NO LONGER BE AN OVER-THE-COUNTER DRUG, A MOVE THAT THIS TORONTO PHARMACIST WOULD APPLAUD.>>WHAT THIS IS DOING IS FORCING AN INTERVENTION WITH THE PHARMACIST. SO IT’S STILL ACCEPTABLE, YOU DON’T NEED A PRESCRIPTION, IT’S JUST KEPT BEHIND THE COUNTER. SO IF YOU DO NEED IT FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU JUST NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE PHARMACIST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT’S APPROPRIATE FOR YOU AND YOU’RE AWARE OF THE RISKS.>>Reporter: BENADRYL’S MANUFACTURER, JOHNSON & JOHNSON INSISTS THAT THE PRODUCT IS SAFE IF USED AS DIRECTED. IN A STATEMENT THE COMPANY SAYS THAT “BENADRYL PRODUCTS HAVE BEEN TRUSTED BY DOCTORS AND MOMS FOR MORE THAN 60 YEARS.” HEALTH CANADA SAY THEY’RE REVIEWING THE CONCERNS RAISED BY DOCTORS. IN THE MEANTIME ALLERGISTS WANT PEOPLE TO REALIZE THAT THERE’S SAFER ANTIHISTAMINES SUCH AS CLARITIN OR REACTIN FOR ALLERGY RELIEF. NICOLE IRELAND, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Andrew: THE B.C. GOVERNMENT IS TAKING ACTION ON VAPING AFTER THREE CASES OF LUNG ILLNESS IN THE PROVINCE AND THOUSANDS MORE IN THE UNITED STATES. STARTING NEXT YEAR IT WILL HAVE TO HAVE PLAIN PACKAGING AND ADVERTISING WILL BE BANNED IN PLACES WHERE YOU’LL FIND YOUNGER PEOPLE LIKE BUS SHELTERS AND PARKS. FLAVOURS WILL NOT BE BANNED BUT THEY’LL ONLY BE AVAILABLE AT AGE-RESTRICTED SHOPS. THE GOVERNMENT WILL RAISE THE SALES TAX FROM 7% TO 20%. NOW PART OF THE GOAL YOU HAVE PROBABLY FIGURED OUT IS TO MAKE VAPING LESS ATTRACTIVE TO YOUNG PEOPLE. BUT AS TINA LOVGREEN TELLS US, TEENS THEMSELVES ARE NOT SURE THAT IT WILL WORK.>>Reporter: IT’S HARD TO MISS THE BIG VAPE CLOUDS OUTSIDE OF THIS EAST VANCOUVER SCHOOL. IT’S A DAILY OCCURRENCE DURING LUNCH BREAKS. STUDENTS AS YOUNG AS 15 TAKING PART.>>IT’S THE FLAVOURS AND IT’S THE HEAD RUSH AND IT’S THE SOCIAL FACTOR OF IT.>>Reporter: AND IT’S THAT SOCIAL FACTOR THAT GETS YOUTH HOOKED ON VAPE.>>AS A KID YOU JUST SEE EVERYBODY ELSE TRYING AND YOU’RE LIKE, I WANT TO TRY THAT. AND YOU GET A NICE HEAD RUSH AND YOU ARE LIKE, I LIKE THAT FEELING. AND THEN YOU JUST KEEP TRYING IT.>>Reporter: EVEN THOUGH THESE STUDENTS ARE UNDERAGE THEY SAY THAT IT’S EASY TO GET THEIR HANDS ON THE PRODUCTS. WHERE DO YOU GUYS GET YOUR VAPES FROM?>>THE LOCAL SHOPS.>>YEAH, SOME STORES, THEY SELL TO MINORS.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>THANK YOU.>>Reporter: THE PROVINCE WANTS THE SALE ONLY IN AGE RESTRICTED SHOPS LIKE THIS ONE OF.>>I WELCOME THOSE CHANGES AS FAR AS GETTING IT OUT OF THE CONVENIENCE STORES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BECAUSE I DON’T THINK THAT THEY REALLY CHECK I.D. AND THEY REALLY DON’T DO WHAT THE LAW IS TELLING THEM TO DO.>>Reporter: BUT HE’S RELIEVED THAT THERE’S NO OUTRIGHT BAN ON FLAVOURED VAPES BECAUSE HE SAID THAT WOULD MEAN THE END OF BUSINESS.>>IT WOULD DEFINITELY CRIPPLE THE INDUSTRY.>>Reporter: THIS STUDENT SAYS THAT THEY CLOSED THE BATHROOMS FOR WEEKS. HOW EFFECTIVE WAS THAT?>>NOT EFFECTIVE AT ALL. AWFUL.>>Reporter: BETTER TO REACH KIDS BEFORE THEY START.>>AND EDUCATING IN GRADE SIX BECAUSE WE NEVER GOT THAT AND WE WENT TO GRADE NINE AND IT’S LIKE WOW, THIS IS A BRAND-NEW PRODUCT, WHY DON’T WE TRY IT. AND THEN YOU’RE HOOKED.>>Reporter: EDUCATION IS A BIG PART OF IT.>>IT’S A POPULAR THING.>>Reporter: ESPECIALLY SINCE NOT ALL STUDENTS BELIEVE THAT VAPING IS THAT BAD FOR YOU.>>NOT REALLY. NO. AND NOT AS MUCH AS PEOPLE MAKE IT TO SEEM. IT HAS HEALTH HAZARDS TO IT BUT IT’S ABOUT MANAGING IT YOURSELF, YOU KNOW?>>Reporter: THE GOVERNMENT SEEMS TO AGREE, PART OF ITS PLAN IS TO HAVE YOUNG PEOPLE LEAD A NEW SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN, HOPING THAT IT WOULD APPLY A DIFFERENT KIND OF PEER PRESSURE. TINA LOVGREEN, CBC NEWS, VANCOUVER.>>Andrew: TO CALIFORNIA NOW WHERE A TERRIBLE BUT FAMILIAR STORY PLAYED OUT NORTH OF LOS ANGELES. A SHOOTER IN A HIGH SCHOOL. POLICE SAY THAT A STUDENT MARKED HIS 16th BIRTHDAY BY OPENING FIRE ON HIS CLASSMATES. TWO OF THEM ARE DEAD AND THREE OTHERS WOUNDED. AND THE SHOOTER, ALSO IN HOSPITAL, CLINGING TO LIFE. KIM BRUNHUBER NOW WITH HOW IT ALL UNFOLDED. [SIRENS]>>Reporter: MINUTES AFTER PARENTS DROPPED THEIR KIDS OFF AT SCHOOL THE NEWS CAME, NEWS THAT EVERY PARENT IN AMERICA HAS NOW LEARNED TO DREAD — A SHOOTER AT THEIR SCHOOL.>>NOT HEARING FROM YOUR CHILD IS THE MOST TERRIFYING THING IN THE WHOLE WORLD.>>Reporter: FEARING THE GUNMAN WAS STILL AT-LARGE, THE POLICE LOCKED THE AREA DOWN. STUDENTS AND NEARBY RESIDENTS WERE TOLD TO SHELTER IN PLACE.>>I WASN’T EXPECTING THIS TODAY. I NEVER GOT TO SAY GOODBYE TO MY PARENTS THIS MORNING.>>Reporter: INSIDE THE SCHOOL POLICE SAY THEY FOUND SIX STUDENTS WHO HAD BEEN SHOT. ONE OF THEM THE SHOOTER HIMSELF, A 16-YEAR-OLD STUDENT AT THE SCHOOL. TODAY IS HIS BIRTHDAY. POLICE FOUND AN EMPTY .45 CALIBRE SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL. THE SHOOTER USED THE LAST BULLET ON HIMSELF.>>THE DETECTIVES REVIEWED THE VIDEO AT THE SCENE WHICH CLEARLY SHOW THE SUBJECT IN THE QUAD WITHDRAW A HANDGUN FROM HIS BACKPACK, SHOOT AND WOUND FIVE PEOPLE AND THEN SHOOT HIMSELF IN THE HEAD.>>Reporter: THESE STUDENTS TELL ME THEY KNEW THE SHOOTER.>>A VERY QUIET INDIVIDUAL AND DIDN’T CAUSE TOO MUCH TROUBLE OR DO ANY DAMAGE. ALWAYS MINDED HIS OWN BUSINESS.>>Reporter: A FEW WEEKS AGO THE STUDENTS HERE WENT THROUGH A LIVE SHOOTER DRILL BUT THEY SAY THAT NOTHING PREPARED THEM FOR HEARING THOSE POPS AND KNOWING THAT THIS TIME IT WAS FOR REAL.>>EVEN THOUGH YOU’RE PREPARED FOR IT, YOU CAN’T REALLY BE PREPARED FOR IT.>>Reporter: INCREDIBLY TODAY ON CAPITOL HILL, SENATOR RICHARD BLUMENTHAL WAS SPEAKING BEGUN VIOLENCE WHEN AN AIDE HANDED HIM A PIECE OF PAPER.>>AS I SPEAK ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW, THERE IS A SCHOOL SHOOTING. HOW CAN WE TURN THE OTHER WAY?>>THERE’S THE WHOLE DON’T TAKE MY GUNS, BUT AFTER YOU’RE IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS, DON’T TAKE MY LIFE.>>Reporter: SANTA CLARITA, THE LATEST AMERICAN COMMUNITY TO GRAPPLE WITH QUESTIONS THAT HAVE NO ANSWERS. IN THE ANGUISHED WORDS OF ONE STUDENT, WHAT KIND OF WORLD IS THIS? KIM BRUNHUBER, CBC NEWS, SANTA CLARITA, CALIFORNIA.>>Andrew: A FORMER TV STAR HIMSELF, DONALD TRUMP WATCHES RATINGS VERY CLOSELY. AND WE HAVE NOW LEARNED THAT THE FIRST PUBLIC IMPEACHMENT HEARING AGAINST HIM WAS A RATING HIT. NEARLY 14 MILLION PEOPLE TUNED IN. THAT’S MORE THAN FOR THE FINAL EPISODE OF “GAME OF THRONES.” SUSAN ORMISTON SHOWS US WHERE THE DEMOCRATS ARE PLANNING TO TAKE THINGS NEXT.>>GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.>>GOOD MORNING.>>Reporter: DEMOCRATS ARE SHARPENING THEIR CASE.>>BUT I AM SAYING THAT WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS ADMITTED TO AND SAID THAT IT’S PERFECT, I SAY IT’S PERFECTLY WRONG, IT’S BRIBERY.>>Reporter: BRIBING THE GOVERNMENT IS MORE DIGESTIBLE LANGUAGE AS THE STRATEGY.>>BRIBERY, EXTORTION AND BRIBERY.>>BRIBE AND ALLY.>>Reporter: PELOSI SAYS THAT IT’S DEFENSIBLE.>>THE BRIBE IS TO GRANT OR WITHHOLD MILITARY ASSISTANCE IN RETURN FOR A PUBLIC STATEMENT OF A FAKE INVESTIGATION INTO THE ELECTIONS. THAT’S BRIBERY.>>Reporter: PRESIDENT TRUMP KEEPING A HEALTHY DISTANCE FROM CAMERAS TODAY AND HAS DRUMMED QUID PRO QUO INTO SUBMISSION.>>President Donald Trump: THEY SAID NO QUID PRO QUO.>>Reporter: IT’S BEEN HURLED ANY SO OFTEN AND DENIED SO FREQUENTLY THAT ITS IMPACT DILUTED. TIME FOR PLAIN LANGUAGE, SAY SOME AMERICANS.>>I THINK THAT WE NEED TO STOP USING WORDS LIKE QUID PRO QUO. WE’RE LETTING THE PRESIDENT TO SET THE DIALOGUE INSTEAD OF SAYING, NO, THIS IS BRIBERY AND EXTORTION.>>Reporter: BUT A DAY AFTER THE FIRST PUBLIC TESTIMONY, THE REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO DULL ANY DAMAGE.>>I’M REALLY OVER WITH THIS, THIS WHOLE THING IS A JOKE. I AM NOT PERSUADED BY THE QUID PRO QUO ARGUMENT. DETAILS FROM SONDLAND, THERE’S NO QUID PRO QUO. THERE’S NOTHING THAT HAPPENED HERE.>>Reporter: AT LEAST EIGHT MORE OFFICIALS WILL TESTIFY HERE IN PUBLIC IN THE NEXT WEEK, BEGINNING TOMORROW. WITH THE FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE MARIE YOVANOVITCH DISMISSED AFTER A SMEAR CAMPAIGN BY THE PRESIDENT’S ALLIES. AND THERE’S A PARADE OF WITNESSES THAT ADD TO THE IMPEACHMENT PUZZLE, DEMOCRATS PRIVATELY CONCEDE THEY MAY NOT CHANGE A LOT OF MINDS. THEY ARE TRYING.>>THIS IS ABOUT PATRIOTISM AND IT’S NOT ABOUT POLITICS, AND DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AND IT’S NOT ABOUT ANYTHING POLITICAL.>>Reporter: NOTHING POLITICAL? THAT SEEMS LIKE A STRETCH. SUSAN ORMISTON, CBC NEWS, WASHINGTON.>>Andrew: WELL, TOMORROW WE’RE LIKELY TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION’S DIPLOMACY IN UKRAINE. AS SUSAN MENTIONED THE FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THAT COUNTRY WILL TESTIFY. THAT SHOULD BEGIN AROUND 9:00 a.m. EASTERN. ALSO BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, A DIPLOMATIC AIDE MENTIONED IN TESTIMONY YESTERDAY WILL SPEAK ABOUT A CALL THAT HE OVERHEARD. IN IT THE U.S. PRESIDENT IS SAID TO HAVE ASKED DIRECTLY ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE INVESTIGATION IN UKRAINE.>>>OKAY, BACK TO CANADA NOW WHERE PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS FIGURING OUT HOW TO GOVERN WITHOUT THE CLOUT OF A MAJORITY. TODAY HE MET WITH A LEADER WHO THINKS THAT HIS PARTY COULD BE THE KEY TO LIBERAL SURVIVAL. DAVID COCHRANE TELLS US WHAT THE N.D.P.’S JAGMEET SINGH WANTS IN RETURN.>>Reporter: HE’S BY NO MEANS THE PRIME MINISTER’S ONLY OPTION, BUT JAGMEET SINGH IS THE ONLY OPTION THAT IS BOTH PROGRESSIVE AND FEDERALIST.>>Jagmeet Singh: IF THEY WANT TO PASS A BILL THEY NEED TO WORK WITH A PARTY. THEY WANT TO PASS A BILL THAT IS PROGRESSIVE AND PUT IN SOMETHING THAT WILL BENEFIT ALL CANADIANS, THEY NEED TO WORK WITH NEW DEMOCRATS.>>Reporter: IT’S SINGH’S ATTEMPT TO DISTINGUISH HIS PARTY FROM THE BLOC QUÉBECOIS, A PROGRESSIVE OPTION THAT MIGHT WORK WITH THE LIBERALS BUT ALSO A SEPARATIST ONE THAT ONLY CARES ABOUT QUÉBEC.>>I STILL BELIEVE THAT QUÉBEC WILL DO BETTER WHEN IT BECOMES A COUNTRY. SO I’M NOT THE ONE THAT WILL FIGHT TO HAVE A NICE, BEAUTIFUL AND UNITED CANADA.>>Jagmeet Singh: THEY’RE NOT A NATIONAL PARTY. IF THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS NATIONAL, IF THEY WANT TO DEVELOP SOMETHING TO BENEFIT ALL CANADIANS, IT’S US.>>Reporter: SO HE’S LEVERAGING HIS 24 SEATS FOR ALL THEY ARE WORTH. AFTER ALL, HIS PARTY IS BROKE, HE LOST A THIRD OF HIS CAUCUS, BUT SINGH STILL HAS TO PROJECT A POSITION OF STRENGTH.>>Jagmeet Singh: I HAVE NO INTEREST IN BLINDLY WORKING WITH THE LIBERALS. IF THEY WANT TO DELIVER ON REAL THINGS THAT HELP CANADIANS OUT, YES, ABSOLUTELY, WE WANT TO WORK TOGETHER.>>Reporter: IN HIS MEETING SINGH SAID THAT PHARMACARE AND DENTAL CARE AND COMPENSATION FOR INDIGENOUS CHILDREN AS CONDITIONS FOR SUPPORT. IT CONTINUES A WEEK OF FACE-TO-FACE MEETINGS, DURING WHICH THE LEADERS WHO LOST THE ELECTION SOUGHT CONCESSIONS FROM THE LEADER WHO WON IT. YOU CAN EXPECT A LOT OF GRANDSTANDING AS ALL OF THE PARTIES TRY TO FLEX THEIR MUSCLES IN THIS NEW MINORITY PARLIAMENT, BUT SO MUCH OF IT IS JUST FOR SHOW. THE REALITY IS THAT THE ONLY PARTY WITH THE MONEY TO RUN A QUICK ELECTION CAMPAIGN WOULD BE THE CONSERVATIVES AND THEY HAVEN’T EVEN DECIDED IF THEY’RE GOING TO KEEP THEIR LEADER. DAVID COCHRANE, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Andrew: AND PLENTY MORE POLITICS HERE TO DIG INTO. WHAT IS THE PRIME MINISTER’S STRATEGY HERE? AND WHO COULD HAVE THE MOST INFLUENCE? ROSIE IS HERE IN ABOUT 20 MINUTES’ TIME WITH “AT ISSUE.”>>>OKAY, YOU MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH CANADA’S BEST RUGBY TEAM BUT THE TORONTO WOLFPACK HOPES THAT A SPLASHY MOVE WILL CHANGE THAT. THEY’RE PAYING BIG BUCKS TO A NEW ZEALAND SUPERSTAR AND IF YOU HAVEN’T HEARD THE NAME SONNY BILL WILLIAMS, THINK OF HIM AS THE SPORT’S LEBRON JAMES. LISA XING HAS THAT STORY. [Applause]>>Reporter: IF YOU’RE ANYTHING OF A RUGBY FAN, YOU’LL KNOW THE NAME SONNY BILL WILLIAMS. A FORCE ON THE FIELD, IN DIFFERENT LEAGUES AND TYPES OF RUGBY AND IN THE BOXING RING. AND TODAY IN THE U.K. THE OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT THAT HE’S COMING TO PLAY FOR THE TORONTO WOLFPACK, A TEAM THAT RECENTLY GOT PROMOTED TO THE TOP TIER SUPER LEAGUE.>>I’M REALLY GRATEFUL AND BLESSED FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. WHAT KIND OF PRESSURE ENVIRONMENT WOULD YOU WANT TO TEST YOURSELF?>>Reporter: THAT PRESSURED ENVIRONMENT THAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT IS BECAUSE TORONTO IS ALREADY JAM-PACKED WITH PRO SPORTS. NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE THE NBA CHAMPION RAPTORS AND THE LEAFS AND BLUE JAYS, THERE’S TORONTO F.C. AND THE ARGONAUTS TOO, AND RUGBY IS NOT AS WELL KNOWN FOR AROUND HERE. FOR WILLIAMS THAT’S PART OF THE APPEAL.>>HOW AMAZING IT WOULD BE IF RUGBY REALLY KICKS OFF IN NORTH AMERICA?>>Reporter: SINCE 2017, THE TORONTO WOLFPACK HAS HOPED TO DRAW PEOPLE IN WITH A SPORT THAT HAS LONG BEEN THE CRAZE OF NATIONS LIKE ENGLAND AND AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND WHERE WILLIAMS PLAYED WITH THE LEGENDARY ALL BLACKS WITH WHOM HE’S WON TWO WORLD CUPS.>>IF WE CAN SUCCEED IT WILL OPEN UP AVENUES FOR YOUNG POLYNESIAN BOYS AND YOUNG ENGLISH LADS. THEY COULD PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILY IN ANOTHER COUNTRY.>>Reporter: THE WOLFPACK’S HEAD COACH IS HOPING TO MAKE USE OF WILLIAMS’ STAR POWER.>>SO WHAT TORONTO ARE DOING IS MAKING PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD TO TAKE NOTE.>>THOSE STANDS BEHIND US WERE TOTALLY FALSE.>>Reporter: THIS SPORTS REPORTER IS FOLLOWING THE RISE OF THE WOLFPACK SINCE ITS INCEPTION TWO YEARS AGO AND SAID THAT INTEREST IN THE SPORT IS RAPIDLY GROWING IN THE CITY. AND THAT ADDING WILLIAMS TO THE ROSTER WILL ELEVATE TORONTO’S NAME INTERNATIONALLY.>>YOU GET THAT NAME AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SUDDENLY WANT TO TUNE IN, AT WHATEVER TIME IT IS IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES TO SEE SONNY BILL WILLIAMS PLAY.>>Reporter: WILLIAMS WILL START THE SEASON WITH THE WOLFPACK IN ENGLAND EARLY NEXT YEAR BEFORE COMING TO PLAY ON THIS FIELD IN APRIL WHEN IT’S WARMER. LISA XING, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Andrew: AND MORE NEWS AHEAD TONIGHT, INCLUDING ONE FAMILY’S WARNING ABOUT ORGAN DONATIONS. THEY SAY THEY DIDN’T KNOW THAT THEIR FATHER WANTED TO DONATE BEFORE HIS DEATH. AND THEY’RE NOT ALONE. WE LOOK AT THE PUSH TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM.>>>LATER, A CBC “MARKETPLACE” INVESTIGATION INTO COCONUT OIL. IS IT AS HEALTHY AS PEOPLE THINK?>>Ian: AND A LEGENDARY HOCKEY PLAYER COMES TO THE DEFENCE OF DON CHERRY. BOBBY ORR ON CHERRY’S COMMENTS AND HIS FIRING>>Andrew: MORE THAN A THIRD OF QUÉBEC FAMILIES REFUSE TO DONATE THEIR LOVED ONES’ ORGANS, EVEN WHEN THAT PERSON MADE IT CLEAR THEY WISHED TO DO SO. LEAH HENDRY LOOKS AT ONE PERSON’S EXPERIENCE AND A CALL TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM.>>Reporter: SHE SAYS THAT HER FATHER, PAUL, WAS FULL OF LIFE. SO THOUGH HE WAS 81 IT CAME AS A SHOCK WHEN HE SUFFERED A MASSIVE STROKE.>>[Speaking French]>>Reporter: DOCTORS SAID THAT IT WOULD BE RISKY TO OPERATE AND HE’D LIKELY BE PARALYSED AND UNLIKELY TO SPEAK. A DOCTOR RAISED THE POSSIBILITY OF ORGAN DONATION.>>[Speaking French]>>Reporter: SHE SAID THAT IT WASN’T CLEAR WHAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN OR WHEN. FEELING UNSUPPORTED AND UNPREPARED, THEY ULTIMATELY REFUSED TO CONSENT. ACCORDING TO TRANSPLANT QUÉBEC THERE’S ONLY 164 DONORS LAST YEAR. A RECENTLY TABLED PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILL ON PRESUMED CONSENT IS MEANT TO CHANGE THAT. IF PASSED EVERYONE WOULD BE AN AUTOMATIC DONOR UNLESS THEY OPT OUT. THIS PAST SPRING NOVA SCOTIA BECAME THE FIRST PROVINCE TO ADOPT SIMILAR RULES.>>BUT IT’S NOT THE MAGIC BULLET ON ITS OWN.>>Reporter: THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF TRANSPLANTATION SAYS THAT FOR PRESUMED CONSENT TO WORK, QUÉBEC NEEDS BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE. HE SAYS THAT A RECENT GOVERNMENT PROMISE TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF DONATIONS FROM 10 TO 32 IS A GOOD FIRST STEP.>>THIS NETWORK ENSURES THAT IN THEIR INSTITUTIONS THAT THERE’S A SET WAY OF RECOGNISING ORGAN DONATORS AND MAKING SURE THAT ORGAN DONATION OPPORTUNITIES ARE NOT MISSED.>>Reporter: HE’D ALSO LIKE QUÉBEC TO FOLLOW ONTARIO’S LEAD. HOSPITALS THERE HAVE TO FLAG EVERY DEATH TO THE ORGAN AND TISSUE DONATION AGENCY. THIS LETS THEM TO IDENTIFY THE ELIGIBLE DONORS AND APPROACH FAMILIES FOR CONSENT IN A TIMELY MANNER.>>[Speaking French]>>Reporter: SHE TOLD HER CHILDREN THAT SHE WANTS TO BE A DONOR AND WISHES HER FATHER HAD DONE THE SAME. SHE LATER LEARNED THAT HE HAD CONSENTED TO ORGAN DONATION ON THE BACK OF HIS HEALTH INSURANCE CARD BUT HE HAD NEVER DISCUSSED IT WITH THEM. WHICH IS A SHAME, SHE SAID, BECAUSE HE COULD HAVE SAVED LIVES. LEAH HENDRY, CBC NEWS, MONTRÉAL.>>Andrew: NOW WE FOUND THAT ACROSS CANADA, NEXT-OF-KIN RETAIN THE RIGHT TO BLOCK A FAMILY MEMBER’S DONATION. EVEN IN NOVA SCOTIA WHERE PRESUMED CONSENT IS THE LAW, FAMILIES CONTINUE TO BE CONSULTED. MANITOBA TOLD US THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF FAMILIES ALLOW DONATIONS TO PROCEED SO LONG AS THEY ARE TOLD OF THEIR RELATIVE’S WISHES. BUT WHEN THE INTENT WASN’T KNOWN, MORE THAN HALF BLOCKED THE DONATION.>>>OKAY, LET’S GO TO OUR NATIONAL NEWSROOM IN VANCOUVER WHERE IAN IS WATCHING STORIES FROM ACROSS CANADA.>>Ian: ANDREW, LET’S BEGIN IN TORONTO WHERE POLICE ARE LOOKING FOR TWO SUSPECTS IN CONNECTION TO A VIOLENT ROBBERY THAT SENT TWO PEOPLE TO HOSPITAL, ONE IN SERIOUS CONDITION. HEAVILY ARMED POLICE RESPONDED AFTER REPORTS OF THE SHOOTING AT A MOVING COMPANY IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY. POLICE SAY THAT IT WAS TARGETED.>>WE CAME OUT AND THERE WAS A BUNCH OF FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND POLICE AND E.M.S.>>Ian: A MAN AND WOMAN WERE SHOT AND TAKEN TO HOSPITAL. THE SPECIFIC TARGET OF THE THIEF IS STILL UNCLEAR. BUT POLICE SAY THEY’RE, QUOTE “AGGRESSIVELY INVESTIGATING” THIS.>>>POLICE IN ALBERTA HAVE MADE WHAT THEY SAY IS THE BIGGEST SEIZURE OF FENTANYL IN CANADA. AND THEY’VE ARRESTED A MAN THEY BELIEVE THAT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A MASSIVE DRUG OPERATION. “PROJECT COYOTE” WAS A TWO-YEAR INVESTIGATION THAT RESULTED IN THE SEIZURE OF OVER $15 MILLION WORTH OF DRUGS.>>Ian: THE COMPLEX INVESTIGATION INVOLVED ALBERTA’S INTEGRATED POLICE TEAM AND THE U.S. DRUG ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATION. THEY SAY THAT A 53-YEAR-OLD MAN IS THE LEADER OF A COUNTRY WIDE DRUG ORGANIZATION WAS ARRESTED ALONG WITH SIX OTHERS.>>>JUST OVER A YEAR AFTER ITS LEGALIZATION, NEW BRUNSWICK’S GOVERNMENT IS MOVING TO HAND OVER THE SALES OF RECREATIONAL CANNABIS TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR.>>THIS WAS THE BEST WAY TO STOP LOSING MONEY IS WHAT WE SAW AND TO STOP THE BLEEDING.>>Ian: THE PROVINCE WANTS TO DITCH CANNABIS N.B. AS EARLY AS NEXT YEAR AND REPLACE IT WITH A SINGLE PRIVATE OPERATOR. THE PROVINCIAL CROWN CORPORATION HAS BEEN A MONEY LOSER TO THE TUNE OF MORE THAN $16 MILLION. INTERESTED PARTIES HAVE TO JANUARY TO SUBMIT THEIR PROPOSAL.>>>AND HOCKEY LEGEND BOBBY ORR IS PUBLICLY SUPPORTING DON CHERRY.>>I KNOW GRAPES BETTER THAN ANYBODY. HE’S NOT A BIGOT AND HE’S NOT A RACIST. WHAT THEY’VE DONE TO HIM UP THERE IS JUST DISGRACEFUL. IT REALLY IS.>>Ian: ORR ON A BOSTON RADIO STATION TODAY COMING TO THE DEFENCE OF THE 85-YEAR-OLD WHO WAS FIRED AFTER NEARLY 40 YEARS ON “HOCKEY NIGHT IN CANADA.” ORR WAS ONCE COACHED BY CHERRY AND HE ALSO DESCRIBED HIM AS A GENEROUS, CARING GUY. THE “COACH’S CORNER” HOST SEEMED TO SINGLE OUT IMMIGRANTS FOR NOT WEARING POPPIES TO HONOUR VETERANS.>>>THE LATEST ON THE FLOODING IN VENICE WHEN WE LOOK AT INTERNATIONAL STORIES, THAT’S IN 20 MINUTES.>>Andrew: TIME FOR A QUICK BREAK. WHEN WE COME BACK A CBC “MARKETPLACE” INVESTIGATION PUTS COCONUT OIL TO THE TEST. IS IT REALLY AS HEALTHY AS ADVERTISED?>>>PLUS… [Cheers and Applause] THE STORY BEHIND THIS EMOTIONAL AIRPORT REUNION. A POWERFUL MOMENT FOR A SYRIAN REFUGEE AND A HEARTBROKEN FAMILY IN REGINA. (*) (*)>>Andrew: COCONUT OIL HAS BECOME A PANTRY STAPLE. PEOPLE BAKE WITH IT, COOK WITH IT, AND SOME PEOPLE JUST EAT IT BY THE SPOONFUL, BUT IS IT AS HEALTHY AS WE THINK? THIS WEEK “MARKETPLACE” DIVES INTO THAT QUESTION AND ASHA TOMLINSON SHOWS US WHAT THEY FOUND.>>Reporter: HIT THE INTERNET AND THIS IS WHAT YOU GET.>>EATING COCONUT OIL WILL GIVE YOU A BETTER METABOLISM.>>THIS DOES HELP YOU TO LOSE WEIGHT.>>Reporter: SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE IS JUMPING ON THE COCONUT OIL BANDWAGON.>>I PUT TWO TEASPOONS OF COCONUT OIL IN MY COFFEE EVERY MORNING AND THEY THINK THAT I’M NUTS.>>Reporter: IT DIDN’T TAKE LONG TO FIND BELIEVERS AT THIS TORONTO GROCERY STORE.>>I’M FROM THE CARIBBEAN AND SO WE USE A LOT OF THE COCONUT OIL.>>IT’S GOOD FOR YOUR HAIR, YOUR SKIN, GOOD FOR EVERYTHING.>>Reporter: WE FOUND A RESEARCHER WHO UNKNOWINGLY SET OFF THIS TREND IN THE FIRST PLACE.>>NICE TO MEET YOU.>>Reporter: MARIE-PIERRE ST-ONGE DID A STUDY ON M.P.T. OIL THAT STANDS FOR MEDIUM CHAIN TRIGLYCERIDES.>>AND M.C.T. IS A SUBCOMPONENT OF COCONUT OIL. AND ONLY 15% OF M.C.T. IS COCONUT OIL.>>Reporter: AND HER CONCLUSION? THAT OIL HAD A SMALL IMPACT ON WEIGHT LOSS BUT COCONUT OIL WAS NEVER RESEARCHED. YOU WEREN’T TESTING COCONUT OIL?>>NOT AT ALL. IT’S OFTEN PICKED UP AS BEING A STUDY THAT PROMOTES COCONUT OIL BUT, IN FACT, THEY’RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.>>Reporter: THAT DIDN’T STOP THE HEALTH CRAZE FROM EXPLODING. SO WE DID A FOOD FACT CHECK. ONE TABLESPOON OF COCONUT OIL HAS 13 GRAMS OF SATURATED FAT IN IT.>>YUCK.>>Reporter: THAT’S LIKE 90% SATURATED FAT.>>THAT’S THE OPPOSITE OF HEALTHY.>>Reporter: DIETICIAN ANDREA MILLER HELPED TO SEPARATE FACT FROM FICTION.>>OUR HEART HEALTH GUIDELINES ARE THAT WE SHOULD BE KEEPING THE TOTAL SATURATED FAT CONTENT OF OUR DIET AROUND 10%. SO IF WE’RE PUTTING COCONUT OIL IN OUR COFFEE OR SPREADING IT ON OUR TOAST CHANCES ARE THAT WE’RE OVERSTRETCHING THE SATURATED FAT RECOMMENDATION.>>Reporter: THE COCONUT OIL COMPANIES IN OUR STORIES SAY THAT NEW SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE SATURATED FAT IN COCONUT OIL DOESN’T HAVE THE SAME NEGATIVE HEALTH EFFECTS AS THE KIND IN ANIMAL FAT LIKE LARD AND BUTTER. THEY SAY IT HAS HEALTH BENEFITS. BUT EXPERTS THAT WE TALKED TO SAY THERE’S NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT. AND HEALTH CANADA RECOMMENDS TO LIMIT ALL SATURATED FATS, INCLUDING COCONUT OIL, BECAUSE OF ITS LINK TO HEART DISEASE AND STROKE. ASHA TOMLINSON, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Andrew: AND “MARKETPLACE” WILL HAVE A LOT MORE FOOD FACT CHECKING TOMORROW NIGHT. YOU CAN CATCH THE FULL INVESTIGATION ON CBC TELEVISION STARTING AT 8:00 p.m., 8:30 IN NEWFOUNDLAND.>>>”THE NATIONAL” IS BACK IN TWO MINUTES AND ROSIE IS NEXT WITH “AT ISSUE.” AFTER HIS MEETINGS WITH THE OPPOSITION THIS WEEK WE LOOK AT THE PRIME MINISTER’S STRATEGY HEADING INTO A MINORITY GOVERNMENT. ANDREW, SHACHI KURL AND AARON WHERRY ARE HERE AFTER THE BREAK. BUT, FIRST, HERE’S ADRIENNE WITH A PRO-VIEW OF A “NATIONAL” INTERVIEW THAT YOU’LL SEE HERE NEXT WEEK.>>Adrienne: WELL, SOMEONE IS ABOUT TO HAVE A BIG BIRTHDAY AND MAYBE MARGARET ATWOOD ALREADY HAS HAD HER GIFT. HER BOOK “THE TESTAMENT” HAS BROKE A CANADIAN PUBLISHING RECORD.>>THIS IS MORE THAN A BOOK RELEASE THIS IS A CULTURAL MOMENT.>>Adrienne: THE SOON-TO-BE 80-YEAR-OLD CO-WON THE MAN BOOKER PRIZE. AND THERE’S A PROJECT THAT IS SO DEEP INTO THE FUTURE, THAT NO ONE ALIVE WILL EVER GET TO SEE WHAT IT IS. COULD YOU THROW A GIRL A BONE IN TERMS WHAT IT’S ABOUT?>>NOPE, NOPE, NOPE. YOU HAVE TO SWEAR TO SECRECY.>>Adrienne: THERE IS A LOT TO TALK ABOUT AND SO SITTING DOWN IN THE PLACE THAT HOLDS SO MANY OF HER TREASURED NOTES JUST SEEMED THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THAT’S IN THE DAYS TO COME ON “THE NATIONAL” (*)>>Rosemary: IT’S A WEEK OF MEETINGS ON PARL MINUTE HILL BETWEEN THE PRIME MINISTER AND THE OPPOSITION MINISTERS. BUT AFTER THE PHOTO-OPS AND CLOSED DOOR MEETINGS, NOT EVERYONE LEFT WITH THE SAME MESSAGE.>>Andrew Scheer: IT’S UP TO JUSTIN TRUDEAU TO FIND COMMON GROUND TO MAKE THIS PARLIAMENT LAST.>>I SHOULD SUGGEST STRONGLY THAT A LOT OF THESE…>>Jagmeet Singh: I HAVE NO INTEREST IN BLINDLY WORKING WITH THE LIBERALS.>>Rosemary: SO HOW ARE THE LEADERS PLAYING THEIR CARDS AND WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE UPCOMING THRONE SPEECH? IT IS THURSDAY SO TIME TO BRING IN “AT ISSUE”, ANDREW COYNE IS IN TORONTO TONIGHT AND SHACHI KURL IS IN VANCOUVER. AND AARON WHERRY IS HERE IN OTTAWA WITH ME TONIGHT. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. SO WE SAW THOSE MEETINGS TAKE PLACE. I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT THERE’S ONE MORE TOMORROW WITH ELIZABETH MAY. AT THIS STAGE, ANDREW, DO YOU THINK THAT THE PRIME MINISTER HAS SENT THE RIGHT SIGNALS ABOUT HIS INTENT GOING INTO THE PARLIAMENTARY SESSION WHICH WE NOW KNOW THAT WILL START ON DECEMBER 5th.>>IT DEPENDS WHAT YOU MEAN BY THE RIGHT SIGNALS.>>Rosemary: COOPERATIVE SIGNALS?>>NOT PARTICULARLY, NO. I DON’T THINK THAT ANYBODY HAS. I THINK THAT ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN VERY PERFORMATIVE. AND PEOPLE HAVE TO BE SEEN TALKING TO ONE ANOTHER. BUT NO ONE HAS INCENTIVE TO MAKE CONCILIATORY MOVES, NOT THE PREMIERS IN THE WEST WHO ARE PLAYING TO THEIR GALLERY. NOT THE OPPOSITION PARTIES WHO HAVE DIFFERENT CONSTITUENCIES ALSO TO TEND TO AND CERTAINLY NOT THE PRIME MINISTER WHO KNOWS THAT NOBODY REALLY WANTS AN ELECTION ANYTIME SOON. I DON’T THINK THAT HE’S GOING TO BE IN THE MOOD TO MAKE ANY EXTRAVAGANT CONCESSIONS. HE’S GOT HIMSELF TO PLAY TO THE BROADER GALLERY OF THE PUBLIC AND HE CAN’T LOOK LIKE HE’S JUST SAYING MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY. BUT AS LONG AS HE DOES THE RIGHT PERFORMANCES, I THINK THAT HE’S IN A RELATIVELY STRONG POSITION.>>Rosemary: SO, SHACHI, DO YOU THINK THAT THE OPPOSITION LEADERS COMING OUT AND SORT OF GOING THROUGH THEIR LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO SEE OR WANT TO SEE — DOES THAT HAVE ANY — DOES IT CARRY ANY WEIGHT AT ALL, SHOULD IT?>>WELL, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW SKILLFULLY THE PRIME MINISTER ACTUALLY HANDLES ALL OF THESE MACHINATIONS AND WHO KNOWS HOW THAT’S GOING TO GO. BUT, YOU KNOW, HE IS IN THE CAT BIRD SEAT, BECAUSE HE GETS TO GO TO EACH OF THE OPPOSITION LEADERS AND EACH OF THE PREMIERS AND TO BE THERE AND SAY CAN I TAKE YOUR ORDER? WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU? AND BE MINDFUL OF THIS THE FACT THAT THIS IS INSIDE THE BELTWAY OR INSIDE BASEBALL FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING IT FROM AFAR. IT’S A LOT OF MEETINGS TO FOLLOW, A LOT OF SCRUMS COMING OUT OF IT TO KEEP TRACK OF. WHAT CANADIANS ARE LOOKING FOR IS THEIR PRIORITIES. OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THOSE PRIORITIES? THEY WANT TO SEE MOVEMENT ON TAX CUTS, THAT’S SOMETHING THAT THE VOTERS ACROSS THE BOARD SAID YES TO. AND IMPROVEMENT ON HEALTH CARE. SO, YOU KNOW, STAY TUNED FOR MORE ON A PHARMACARE PLAN AT SOME KIND. AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE ENOUGH VOTERS ON BOTH SIDES, TWO-THIRDS WHO SAID YES TO A CARBON TAX AND TWO-THIRDS WHO VOTED LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE WHO SAID YES ON PIPELINE MATTERS TO WANT TO SEE SOME MOVEMENT ON THAT. SO THERE IS THE WAR OF WORDS AND THERE IS THE LEADERS TRYING TO SOT OF JOCKEY FOR POSITION HERE BUT ULTIMATELY I THINK THAT TRUDEAU KNOWS THAT IF HE DOESN’T SCREW THIS UP HE HAS ENOUGH ROOM TO MANOEUVRE ON THOSE MEASURES.>>Rosemary: THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY HERE TO CUT DEALS WITH VARIOUS PEOPLE.>>YEAH, I MEAN, WE’LL DO THIS DANCE NOW FOR AS LONG AS THIS PARLIAMENT LASTS WHERE THE OPPOSITION LEADERS COME OUT AND WE ASK THEM WHAT THEIR DEMANDS ARE AND THEY SAY WHAT THEIR DEMANDS ARE AND WE ASK THEM WHETHER THEY’RE READY TO FORCE AN ELECTION IF THEIR DEMANDS ARE NOT MET. AND THEY’LL WAFFLE AND WE’LL GET MAD.>>Rosemary: EXCELLENT. [laughter]>>BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE’S A LIGHT CONVERGENCE HERE OF INTEREST, RIGHT? THE BLOC AND THE N.D.P. ARE LOOKING TO SORT OF REESTABLISH THEMSELVES AS IMPORTANT AND INFLUENTIAL FORCES IN OTTAWA. THE PRIME MINISTER AND HIS GOVERNMENT, HE WANTS TO SHOW THAT HE CAN GOVERN WELL, HE CAN WORK WITH OTHER PARTIES. HE WANTS TO BUILD UP A RECORD TO TAKE INTO THE NEXT ELECTION. YOU WOULD THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME WAY FOR THOSE THREE SIDES TO WORK TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, IT’S GOING TO BE MESSY BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOME WAY FOR THESE GUYS TO COME TOGETHER AT SOME POINT TO MOVE AN AGENDA FORWARD. AND THERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, THE INEVITABLE JOCKEYING FOR WHO GETS TO TAKE CREDIT FOR EVERY ACCOMPLISHMENT. AND AT SOME POINT THAT WILL BREAK DOWN. BUT YOU WOULD THINK AT THIS POINT, AT LEAST IN THE SHORT TERM — AGAIN, NO ONE WANTS AN ELECTION, AND THERE’S A SHARED MUTUAL INTEREST IN SORT OF MAKING THIS PARLIAMENT WORK, AT LEAST FOR A LITTLE WHILE.>>AND, ROSIE –>>Rosemary: GO AHEAD, SHACHI.>>THERE’S ALSO ONE MORE CONSTRAINT WITH THIS GOVERNMENT IS FREED FROM. AND THAT IS THE FACT THAT, AGAIN, YOU SAW SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO OPTED FOR THIS PARTICULAR CONFIGURATION OF PARLIAMENT AND SAYING WE’RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT SPENDING. SO THIS COULD BE A VERY SPENDY TIME AS THE PRIME MINISTER TRIES TO GET THINGS DONE. SORT OF REMINISCENT OF WHAT HIS DAD DID IN THAT 1972-1974 MINORITY PARLIAMENT AND THAT WAS A TIME OF BIG SPENDING TOO. SO WE’LL SEE IF THAT HAPPENS.>>Rosemary: ANDREW?>>AS WITH THE STEPHEN HARPER’S MINORITY, THE STRENGTH OF THE GOVERNMENT’S POSITION IS THAT YOU NEED ALL THREE PARTY LEADERS TO PULL THE LEVER AT THE SAME TIME, ALL THREE OPPOSITION PARTY LEADERS. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THIS ISN’T JUST A GAME OF CHICKEN BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT AND THE OPPOSITION, IT’S A FOUR-WAY GAME OF CHICKEN. IT’S ALL OF THE OPPOSITION LEADERS PLAYING CHICKEN WITH EACH OTHER. AND SAYING THAT I’LL BRING THE GOVERNMENT DOWN. I’LL VOTE AGAINST THIS BILL AND TRY TO FORCE THE OTHER ONES TO SEEM TO BE THE ONES PROPPING THE GOVERNMENT UP. SO WE’LL SEE A LOT OF THAT JOCKEYING AS WELL OF PEOPLE ANNOUNCING AHEAD OF TIME THAT THEY’RE GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS AND THAT AND PUTTING THE PRESSURE ON ONE OF THE OTHER PARTIES.>>Rosemary: OH, MAN, IT’S GOING TO BE SO INTERESTING. THERE’S A REASON THAT JOURNALISTS LIKE MINORITY GOVERNMENTS. I WANT TO SHIFT TO THAT EXCHANGE BETWEEN YVES-FRANCOIS BLANCHET AND THE RESPONSE FROM KENNEY THIS WEEK BECAUSE IT SPEAKS MORE INTO OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT WESTERN ALIENATION OR ALIENATION OF ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE GET MAD AT ME IN B.C. WHEN I SAY THAT. ANYWAY, HERE’S WHAT BLANCHET HAD TO SAY ON JASON KENNEY…>>THEY WERE ATTEMPTING TO CREATE A GREEN STATE IN WESTERN CANADA, I MIGHT BE TEMPTED TO HELP THEM. IF THEY’RE TRYING TO CREATE AN OIL STATE IN WESTERN CANADA, THEY CANNOT EXPECT ANY HELP FROM US.>>IF YOU ARE SO OPPOSED TO THE ENERGY THAT WE PRODUCED IN ALBERTA, THEN WHY ARE YOU SO KEEN ON TAKING THE MONEY GENERATED BY THE OIL FIELD WORKERS IN THIS PROVINCE AND ACROSS WESTERN CANADA?>>Rosemary: SO, AARON, DID THAT BACK AND FORTH SURPRISE YOU AT ALL? AND WHAT SHOULD WE MAKE OF HOW THAT WILL SORT OF DEFINE THE COUNTRY, AT LEAST IN THE SHORT TERM?>>YEAH, I DON’T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE NECESSARILY SURPRISED THAT THE LEADER OF THE BLOC QUÉBECOIS IS NOT PARTICULARLY WORRIED ABOUT THE RESOURCES IN ALBERTA AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN GET TO MARKET. AND I ALSO I GUESS THAT WE SHOULDN’T BE SURPRISED THAT JASON KENNY AND ANDREW SCHEER ARE JUMPING ON THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO STICK UP FOR THE WEST, TO STICK UP FOR THE RESOURCE SECTOR, TO STICK UP FOR THEIR OWN CONSTITUENTS, THEIR OWN BASE. I THINK THAT IT IS — YOU KNOW, IT IS INDICATIVE THAT WE’LL HEAR MORE OF THIS I’M SURE, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE BEEN HAVING ABOUT WESTERN ALIENATION AND THE RESOURCE SECTOR ISN’T GOING TO GO AWAY MAGICALLY. IF THERE’S A LARGER ISSUE HERE, IT’S WHAT TRUDEAU IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO IN TERMS OF BALANCING OUT AS WE JUST SAID WORKING WITH THE N.D.P. AND WORKING WITH THE BLOC, AND WORKING ON CLIMATE ISSUES WHILE AT THE SAME TIME TRYING TO WORK WITH PREMIERS OR AT LEAST SHOW THAT HE’S TRYING TO ADDRESS WESTERN ALIENATION. YOU KNOW, HE CAN’T JUST PICK ONE OR THE OTHER. AND HE HAS TO SOMEHOW TRY TO DO BOTH. AND, YES, I GUESS HOPE THAT THERE’S NO POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH ONE — WORKING WITH THE BLOC OR THE N.D.P. IN THE HOUSE TO GET LEGISLATION PASSED, YOU KNOW, EXPRESSLY GOES AGAINST — AGAINST WESTERN INTERESTS. AND PUTS HIM IN A POSITION WHERE IT SEEMS THAT HE’S PICKING SIDES.>>Rosemary: THIS, OF COURSE, HAPPENED THE SAME WEEK THAT SCOTT MOE FINALLY GOT HIS MEETING WITH THE PRIME MINISTER AND HE WAS NOT THRILLED WITH THE OUTCOME OF THAT EITHER. SHACHI?>>SO THE RHETORIC THAT YOU’RE HEARING FROM JASON KENNEY AND SCOTT MOE ISN’T JUST ABOUT PREMIERS TRYING TO BE LIGHTNING RODS AND RILE UP THEIR BASES AT HOME FOR POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY. SURE, IT’S A PART OF THAT. BUT IT’S ALSO VERY MUCH BASED IN THE FACT THAT THERE’S TREMENDOUS ANXIETY AND WORRY COMING OUT OF THOSE TWO PROVINCES. YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT ECONOMIC CONFIDENCE AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THOSE TWO PROVINCES WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT SOMEONE LOSING A JOB IN THEIR HOUSEHOLD IN THE COMING MONTHS IS MORE THAN TWO TIMES THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. SO THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEWHERE. AND THERE WILL HAVE TO BE A POINT BEYOND THE POLITICAL MACHINATIONS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WHERE ALL OF THESE LEADERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET, YOU KNOW, CHECK THEMSELVES, GET A GRIP AND SAY, WELL, WHAT ARE WE DOING IN THE INTERESTS OF THE NATION AS A WHOLE. THE JASON KENNEYS OF THE WORLD, IN THE SAME WAY THAT THE FRANÇOIS LEGAULT OF THE WORLD RUN THE RISK OF WHIPPING UP TOO MUCH NATIONALIST OR PROVINCIALIST SENTIMENT IN THEIR PROVINCES, WHEREBY THEY UNLEASH SOMETHING — AND WE’RE PERHAPS STARTING TO SEE THE BEGINNING OF THAT IN ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN WITH THE WEXIT MOVEMENT THAT THEY WON’T BE ABLE TO PUT THAT GENIE BACK IN THE BOTTLE LATER. SO THEY’VE GOT TO BE FOCUSED ON SOLUTIONS AS WELL. AND IT’S GOING TO TAKE TWO TO TANGO ON THAT FRONT. WE NEED TO SEE THE CHANGE IN TONE FROM JUSTIN TRUDEAU BUT ALSO A WILLINGNESS TO WORK FROM BOTH SIDES.>>Rosemary: JASON KENNEY DID PUT OUT SORT OF A ROADMAP OF SOLUTIONS. YOU MAY THINK THAT THEY’RE NOT POSSIBLE OR NOT LIKE THEM BUT HE PUT FORWARD SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE’D LOOK AT, ANDREW.>>IF I DIDN’T KNOW BETTER I WOULD SAY THAT BLANCHET WAS BEING DELIBERATELY PROVOCATIVE. I MEAN, HE NOT ONLY IS SAYING, YEAH, WE’LL TAKE THE EQUALIZATION MONEY BUT WE WON’T TAKE THE PIPELINES, BECAUSE IF QUÉBEC ACTUALLY HAS ANY AUTHORITY TO SAY SO. IT’S SIMPLY A POLITICAL CLOUT. BUT ALSO ON TOP OF THAT, I THINK THAT VASSY KAPELOS IN “POWER & POLITICS” PANEL WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE YOU SO ADVERSE AGAINST PIPELINES THAT QUÉBEC IS GETTING OIL FROM ALBERTA NOW, 44% OF ITS NEEDS. AND HIS ANSWER WAS THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH FOR OUR PURPOSES, SO, THEREFORE, WE’RE NOT GOING TO BE COOPERATIVE ANY FURTHER. SO HE’S REALLY BEING AS ANTAGONISTIC AND ANNOYING AS HE POSSIBLY CAN. AND YOU ABSOLUTELY COULD FORGIVE ALBERTANS FOR BEING OUTRAGED BY THAT. I I GUESS — I HOPE THAT THE RESPONSE IN ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN IS NOT GOING TO BE AS I FEAR THAT IT MAY, BUT THE ANSWER TO ALL OF THIS IS TO BE AS INWARD LOOKING AND AS ANTAGONISTIC AS QUÉBEC’S POLITICAL CLASS HAS BEEN TO USE THIS OCCASION AS PREMIERS ALWAYS DO TO GRAB FOR MORE MONEY AND POWERS FOR THEMSELVES, TO TURN INWARD, TO STOP TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT’S GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY AS A WHOLE. THERE’S A LOT OF RHETORIC GOING OUT RIGHT NOW THAT IS SAYING TO PEOPLE, LET’S JUST PUT UP WALLS AND LET’S JUST TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN. AND IF EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTRY DOES THAT THEN WE’LL ALL GOING TO BE DIMINISHED.>>Rosemary: OKAY. ON THAT NOT VERY HAPPY NOTE, BUT SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS ALWAYS, WE’LL THANK YOU ALL AND LET YOU GO. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. BEFORE WE GO THOUGH BE SURE TO SUBSCRIBE TO “AT ISSUE” THE PODCAST FOR EXTRA CONTENT. THIS WEEK WE’RE TALKING ABOUT CABINET SPECULATION AHEAD OF NEXT WEEK’S SWEARING-IN AND LOOK FOR IT ON iTUNES AND ANY MAJOR PODCAST APP AND OUR WEBSITE CBCNEWS.CA/THENATIONAL.>>Andrew: AND IAN IS BACK IN TWO MINUTES WITH MORE NEWS FROM AROUND THE WORLD.>>>PLUS, A SASKATCHEWAN FAMILY FINDS HOPE AMID GRIEF. HOW THE TRAGIC DEATH OF THEIR BROTHER LED TO THE REUNION OF A SYRIAN REFUGEE WITH HIS FAMILY. BUT FIRST… “IN CASE YOU MISSED IT,” THE TRIAL OF ROGER STONE IS ALMOST OVER. HE’S AN ALLY OF DONALD TRUMP FACING CHARGES RELATED TO ROBERT MUELLER’S PROBE. TO MUELLER, STONE WAS A LINK BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA’S EFFORTS TO INFLUENCE THE 2016 ELECTION. AND THIS TRIAL REVEALED WHY. STONE WAS THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN’S ACCESS POINT TO WIKILEAKS WHICH RELEASED DEMOCRATIC EMAILS STOLEN BY RUSSIA. HE SEEMED TO HAVE EXCLUSIVE KNOWLEDGE OF THE LEAKS MONTHS BEFORE THEY HAPPENED, AS STONE SAID IN ONE EMAIL “TRUMP CAN STILL WIN, I KNOW HOW TO WIN, BUT IT AIN’T PRETTY.” CAMPAIGN AIDE RICK GATE SAID THAT THE EMAILS WERE SEEN AS A GIFT. IN TESTIMONY DESCRIBED HOW STONE’S TIPS, SOME DELIVERED TO TRUMP DIRECTLY, WILL WORK INTO THE CAMPAIGN.>>President Donald Trump: WIKILEAKS, I LOVE WIKILEAKS. WIKILEAKS IS LIKE A TREASURE TROVE.>>Andrew: LAST FALL TOLD THE MUELLER INQUIRY THAT HE COULDN’T RECALL SUCH CONVERSATIONS WITH STONE. AND MORE RECENTLY SAID –>>President Donald Trump: I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WIKILEAKS, IT’S NOT MY THING.>>Andrew: FOR HIS PART, STONE DENIES BEING A CONDUIT TO WIKILEAKS. THE JURY HAS YET TO GIVE I (*)>>I’M JAYME POISSON AND TOMORROW ON CBC’S DAILY NEWS PODCAST “FRONTBURNER,” DAY TWO OF THE TRUMP IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS. WE’LL DIG INTO WHY THESE HEARINGS ARE SO IMPORTANT AND WHAT WE CAN LEARN FROM NIXON AND CLINTON. SUBSCRIBE WHEREVER YOU GET YOUR PODCASTS.>>Ian: WELCOME BACK TO “THE NATIONAL” NEWSROOM IN VANCOUVER. AFTER DAYS OF DESTRUCTIVE FLOODS, ITALY’S GOVERNMENT HAS DECLARED A STATE OF EMERGENCY IN VENICE. THE WORST FLOODING IN MORE THAN 50 YEARS HAS PUT MORE THAN 80% OF THE CITY UNDER WATER WHEN THE TIDES WERE AT THEIR HIGHEST. ITALY’S PRIME MINISTER DESCRIBED IT AS A BLOW TO THE HEART OF THE COUNTRY. £20 MILLION IN EMERGENCY FUNDS HAVE BEEN APPROVED.>>>NEW DETAILS FROM INVESTIGATORS LOOKING INTO THE DOWNING OF MALAYSIA AIRLINES FLIGHT MH17. A DUTCH-LED TEAM ALLEGE THAT A TOP AIDE OF VLADIMIR PUTIN WAS IN CONTACT WITH THE REBEL LEADERS ACCUSED OF SHOOTING DOWN THE AIRCRAFT. NEARLY 300 PEOPLE ON BOARD WERE KILLED WHEN A MISSILE STRUCK THE PLANE OVER EASTERN UKRAINE IN JULY 2014. RUSSIA’S FOREIGN MINISTRY HAS REJECTED THE LATEST FINDS AND DENIES PLAYING ANY ROLE IN THE TRAGEDY.>>>AND THE STAGE IS SET FOR A SHOWDOWN IN THE U.S. SUPREME COURT OVER THE POWER OF THE PRESIDENT AND THE RELEASE OF HIS TAX RETURNS. DONALD TRUMP IS ASKING THE COURT TO BLOCK PROSECUTORS FROM GETTING THE RETURNS. HIS LAWYERS SAY THAT IT WOULD BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL, ARGUING TRUMP CAN’T BE THE SUBJECT OF CRIMINAL PROSECUTION WHILE PRESIDENT. A SEPARATE EMERGENCY APPLICATION TO BLOCK HOUSE DEMOCRATS FROM HIS FINANCIAL RECORDS IS EXPECTED TOMORROW.>>>TIME FOR A QUICK BREAK, WHEN WE COME BACK A SASKATCHEWAN FAMILY FINDS GENEROSITY IN GRIEF. PLUS… [laughter]>>>IT IS A DREAM COME TRUE FOR A LITTLE BOY IN ALBERTA. HIS BIG BIRTHDAY SURPRISE AHEAD ON “THE NATIONAL.” (*)>>Andrew: IN REGINA’S AIRPORT THIS WEEK A REALLY EMOTIONAL SCENE — A MOTHER WELCOMING HER ADULT SON WITH OPEN ARMS AFTER BEING SEPARATED FOR NEARLY FOUR YEARS. THEY FLED WAR IN SYRIA TOGETHER, BUT WHEN MOST OF THE FAMILY CAME TO CANADA AS REFUGEES, HE WAS LEFT BEHIND. AS BONNIE ALLEN TELLS US, IT TOOK ANOTHER FAMILY’S HEARTBREAK TO MAKE THIS REUNION HAPPEN.>>Reporter: THERE WAS SO MUCH ANTICIPATION — TWO MOTHERS, ONE AWAITING HER SON. AND THE OTHER WHO WILL NEVER SEE HERS AGAIN BUT HELPED TO MAKE THIS POSSIBLE. THEN THEY SPOT HIM. [Cheers and Applause] SYRIAN REFUGEE ABDULNASER ALKHATIB AND HIS WIFE AND THEIR TWO CHILDREN ARRIVE FROM JORDAN. THEY’RE ENGULFED IN HUGS AS THEY JOIN THE REST OF THEIR FAMILY IN REGINA. MOST SETTLED HERE AS GOVERNMENT SPONSORED REFUGEES IN 2016.>>WE ARE HAPPY TO SEE THE FAMILY. ALL OF OUR FAMILY IS HAPPY. VERY EXCITED.>>Reporter: SHARING IN THEIR TEARS THE REGINA FAMILY WHO CHANNELLED THEIR OWN GRIEF INTO GENEROSITY. LAST YEAR 25-YEAR-OLD JEREMY CAMPBELL DIED WHILE VISITING HOT SPRINGS IN JAPAN. HE SLIPPED, HIT HIS HEAD AND DROWNED. FRIENDS OFFERED TO RAISE MONEY TO HELP TO TRANSPORT HIS BODY HOME TO SASKATCHEWAN, BUT THE FAMILY HAD ANOTHER IDEA.>>IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THE PERFECT WAY TO HONOUR HIM.>>Reporter: TO USE THE MONEY, $23,000 TO PRIVATELY SPONSOR A SYRIAN FAMILY TO COME TO CANADA.>>IT’S NICE TO KNOW THAT THIS FAMILY IS GOING TO BE REUNITED WITH THEIR YOUNGER BROTHER, THEIR YOUNGEST BROTHER, AND EVEN THOUGH I DON’T HAVE MY YOUNGER BROTHER.>>COME RIGHT IN.>>Reporter: THE CAMPBELL FAMILY TEAMED UP WITH SIX LUTHERAN CHURCHES TO MAKE THE ARRANGEMENTS AND TO FILL THIS HOUSE WITH FURNITURE, FOOD AND CLOTHING. THE LEAD ORGANIZER SAY THAT ABDULNASER’S MOTHER HAS CRIED FOR HIM ALMOST EVERY DAY.>>I THINK THAT IT’S JUST WORN HER OUT WITH WORRY ABOUT HIM.>>Reporter: ON THIS NIGHT SHE HAS HIM BACK IN HER ARMS AND MEETS HER GRANDSON, JAMAL, FOR THE FIRST TIME.>>[speaking foreign language]>>Reporter: ABDULNASER SAYS THAT THERE’S NO WORDS TO DESCRIBE THIS MOMENT BUT THEY QUICKLY LEARN THE NAME JEREMY CAMPBELL AND THE WORDS “THANK YOU.” BONNIE ALLEN, CBC NEWS, REGINA.>>Andrew: GOING TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK NOW BUT WHEN WE COME BACK, 4-YEAR-OLD CHASE OLISON WISHED FOR 100 GARBAGE TRUCKS FOR HIS BIRTHDAY. WE’LL TELL YOU HOW HIS MOM MADE THAT WISH COME TRUE IN A WAY IN OUR “MOMENT.” (*)>>Andrew: CHASE OLISON LOVES GARBAGE TRUCKS. AND WHAT’S NOT TO LOVE? THEY HAVE BIG LOUD HORNS AND THEY PICK UP GARBAGE. THEY’RE PRETTY COOL. SO FOR HIS FOURTH BIRTHDAY HE ASKED FOR 100 OF THEM. NOW LUCKILY FOR HIM HIS BIRTHDAY PARTY FELL ON GARBAGE DAY. SO HIS MOTHER EMAILED THE FOLKS AT WASTE MANAGEMENT TO ASK IF THE TRUCK COULD MAKE A QUICK STOP ON ITS ROUTE. AND THEY REPLIED THEY COULD DO BETTER THAN THAT, AND THAT IS OUR “MOMENT.”>>LOOK AT THEM ALL, GUYS!>>I COULDN’T BELIEVE IT, IT WAS PRETTY COOL WHEN WE WALKED OUT AND WE SEEN ALL THE STREET IS LINED WITH GARBAGE TRUCKS.>>SO PUSH THIS BUTTON RIGHT THERE.>>THAT ONE?>>YEP. WE GOT IT AND THEN WE’LL PULL UP.>>WOO-HOO!>>THERE IT GOES.>>WOO-HOO!>>THERE IT GOES.>>IT’S EXCITING WHEN YOU BLOW THE HORN. [laughter]>>KIDS HAVE ALWAYS SEEMED TO LOVE GARBAGE TRUCKS AND WE’RE RIGHT IN THERE WITH THE FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICEMEN.>>HEY, THE BEST BIRTHDAY EVER?>>UM-HMM.>>HAPPY BIRTHDAY!>>HAPPY BIRTHDAY!>>Andrew: OH, MAN, I WANT TO DO THAT FOR MY BIRTHDAY. YOU KNOW, LIKE I STILL LAUGH AT THE FACT THAT HE ASKED FOR A HUNDRED GARBAGE TRUCKS. AND, OF COURSE, IT IS ADORABLE AND ABSURD THAT YOU COULD ASK FOR A HUNDRED OF ANYTHING ON YOUR BIRTHDAY. UNTIL YOU REALIZE THAT A HUNDRED TO A KID THAT AGE IS MORE OF AN IDEA THAN A NUMBER. AND, BOY, DID THAT DELIVER IN SPADES.>>Ian: JUST THE DELIGHT WHEN HE PULLED THE HORN, IT’S ONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS ABOUT HAVING LITTLE KIDS AROUND. YOU’RE LIVING THROUGH THAT NOW, ANDREW. I DID A FEW YEARS AGO. AND JUST THE WONDER OF THINGS THAT YOU OTHERWISE WOULD TAKE FOR GRANTED LIKE THE GARBAGE TRUCK GOING BY. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME AROUND CONSTRUCTION SITES WITH MY SON AND JUST WATCHING THE EXCAVATORS TO DO THEIR JOB. AND KUDOS FOR THE COMPANY FOR PROVIDING THIS FANTASTIC BIRTHDAY FOR HIM.>>Andrew: NO KIDDING.>>Ian: THAT IS “THE NATIONAL” FOR NOVEMBER 14th. GOODNIGHT.>>Andrew: GOODNIGHT.

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